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New Commenting System [Dec. 23rd, 2011|03:12 pm]
Carefully, Correctly Wrong

Why are both the people left on LiveJournal complaining about the new comment system? It looks literally identical to me - subject lines, preview button and everything.

[User Picture]From: chess
2011-12-23 03:20 pm (UTC)
If you have certain S2 journal styles, have a paid account and have selected the option to auto-add &style=mine to comment pages, then the comment system is unchanged.

If you have a S1 journal style, or are not a paid user, you either get the journal's own comment style (which might be a S2 style or might not) or the S1 comment page, which has totally changed (no subject line, more 'modern' styling, more 'interactive' controls - i.e. harder to load on slow computers / mobile devices).

Subject lines entered by people who can still see a subject line box turn up as the first line of the comment, in bold, with a line between them and the comment body.
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[User Picture]From: diffrentcolours
2011-12-23 04:21 pm (UTC)
Hmm, I'm not sure I know what an S1 or S2 style is, I've never bothered with that sort of stuff.

So basically it's something pretty trivial to fix if you're one of the people affected by it?
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[User Picture]From: chess
2011-12-23 04:33 pm (UTC)

1) If you're not a paid user, it's impossible to fix - you can't use a S2 style, so you can't use one of the functioning style on your journal and you can't set your comment page style to one of the functioning styles either.

2) Even if you are a paid user, you have to pick a particular kind of S2 style in order to make it work (which you just happen to have picked) - if you wanted a different kind, or didn't like the S2 comment pages anyway and hence were using the S1 ones to work around the S2 style's problems (S2 pages in the style which retains old commenting have very poor behaviour for long comment threads).

And you have to force all comment pages to your style rather than being able to use comment pages in the style of the journal you're posting in.
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[User Picture]From: apiphile
2011-12-23 04:44 pm (UTC)
I've been forcing all the comment pages to Dystopia (and I have S2 and the new comment thing really doesn't leave me having a heart attack at all) for years because some of my friends have the aesthetic qualities of a head injury and I have no desire to subject myself to whatever hash of colours they think is readable.
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[User Picture]From: chess
2011-12-23 04:47 pm (UTC)
The new comment thing primarily affects RP communities / kink memes etc, which have been using the subject lines for content warnings / useful collapsed-comment information and tend to have massive long comment threads. They basically have no good alternatives (as S2 squishes long comment threads against the right-hand margin).

It also affects anyone who can't force comment pages off it and who uses a slow connection or a mobile device, because the new comment page is even less mobile-friendly than the old one.
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[User Picture]From: apiphile
2011-12-23 04:49 pm (UTC)
I am so glad all of this has happened at the point where my hatred of fandom and RP reached fever pitch, really.
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[User Picture]From: matgb
2011-12-26 01:40 am (UTC)
If you're not a paid user, it's impossible to fix - you can't use a S2 style

Untrue, completely untrue, S2 styles are available to all users and have been since at least 2004-the issue is you can't edit layers and stuff and the S2 'fix' doing the rounds that replicates old style default comment pages requires that ability.

I don't mind seeing the new style, although I loathe what they've done with comment titles, just because other sites don't have them it doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.

But the hyperbole around it is just as annoying, and of all the reasons to prompt another mass exodus this one is just weird, people didn't leave over the mass privacy clusterfuck are now leaving because things look a bit different on the, frankly, fugly site schemed pages?

I mean, I 'left' ages ago and don't regret it, but to leave over a botched UI improvement? Nah.

@Dave, tehre are some real issues for soem people with teh code simply not working and thus they're unable to comment, it looks like they barely tested it outside of default configurations, plus a lot of security browser plugins whitelisted old LJ JS files but not the new required ones, etc. One friend I know, who's heavily disabled and fairly reliant on LJ for any social life at all now can't comment anywhere, etc.
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[User Picture]From: chess
2011-12-26 01:44 am (UTC)
You've just given one very good reason for someone (and possibly everyone, for solidarity reasons) to leave over it...

Also, mostly the people who are leaving / thinking of leaving are RP communities which heavily used the subject line in comments in individual RP journals which are generally created individually for the game in question so would be prohibitively expensive to apply the fix to.
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[User Picture]From: diffrentcolours
2011-12-26 11:21 am (UTC)
Hmm, interesting - I use LiveJournal exclusively with some pretty whacky browsers (an old Konqueror, and w3m) and the new code hasn't caused me any problems. Perhaps disabling JavaScript would be a good workaround.
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[User Picture]From: nevcolleil
2012-01-13 12:32 am (UTC)
I'm having trouble with the comment system. I have a paid S2 account. How do you select the auto-add &style=mine thing you mentioned?
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[User Picture]From: chess
2012-01-13 12:54 am (UTC)
http://www.livejournal.com/manage/settings/?cat=display - check the box by 'Comment Pages' that says 'View comment pages from my Friends page in my own style'.
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[User Picture]From: touchofgrey
2011-12-23 03:32 pm (UTC)
Yeah, that. :-) I haven't seen it myself either, but I've flipped through the complaints and it is a bit impressive how universally hated it is.

The coder in me thinks, from all of the bugs I'm hearing about, that they pushed it out WAY too soon. The user in me, who'd been hoping that the new commenting features would include a proper preview button on all of the comment forms so I'd no longer have to tick that "check spelling and preview" box to preview a comment (usually having to preview twice, because something nearly always triggers the spellcheck), was rather put off to find out they'd removed the preview completely. Post + re-edit over and over is not a way to proofread, especially if it's sending new emails every time I fix a typo...
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[User Picture]From: softfruit
2011-12-23 05:08 pm (UTC)
I'm glad you posted that question as it saved me getting round to posting it :)
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[User Picture]From: venta
2011-12-25 12:20 am (UTC)
Ah, have you met the internet? It's a place where people use modern technology to complain about any form of change.
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[User Picture]From: crypx
2011-12-31 05:17 am (UTC)
*like* :)

And... comments have changed? I don't see the difference...
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